[smalltalk-central] dialect icon?
Mark D. Roberts
mroberts at cincom.com
Sat Sep 2 02:15:38 BST 2006
At 10:02 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote:
>You know how slash-dot has an icon in the upper right hand side of each
>entry, which shows the topic category? Would we be able to add a similar
>idea to S-C, where each news entry could have a dialect icon? Any maybe
>[|] for cross-Smalltalk entries
Yes, it's do-able. I've added it to the to-do list:
I would like to raise two points about this:
First, the to-do list is just getting longer and longer. Unless we can find
somebody who is willing to get seriously involved in helping with
development of the site application, then we need to be realistic about
functionality and roll-out dates. At the present rate of work on the site
application, Smalltalk-Central won't be ready for roll-out for a few more
months. Between now and the end of October, I won't have as much time to
work on it. I will do as much as I can, but there is a lot that remains to
I'm not going to try to find people to help with this. I've done this in
the past with very little luck, so I will defer this task to somebody else.
In light of this, I'd like to propose that we start to think about January
2007 as a possible roll-out date.
Second, w.r.t. icons for news items à la slash-dot, personally, I would
only implement this if we first have some high-quality icons.
I strongly disagree with the idea that "any icons are better than no icons
at all". Rather, I submit to you that if we want to improve the public
perception of Smalltalk we should take the position that "no icons at all
are better than mediocre icons". I don't agree with the idea that it's OK
to use something mediocre first and replace it with something better later.
The only way the Smalltalk "brand" is going to improve is if we just stop
adding more mediocre stuff to the heap.
The professional way to do this is to get some real money and hire a real
designer to do some real work. I've been reading the thread about the
Smalltalk Logo on c.l.s., and honestly I think it's sort of a waste of
time. The first message attacking Bob's idea pretty much sums up the
problem when the author asks "Where can one get all the wonderful graphic
logos developed?". Well, it costs money and you need somebody who is a
professional designer. Anybody who doesn't understand this fundamental
point shouldn't even be complaining.
As long as the Smalltalk Industry doesn't have the money to hire a real
graphic designer, we're just going to be kicking around a bunch of
half-baked things that non-designers cobbled together with Photoshop. There
may be some people out there in the community with more talent, but I
really just don't see it. Mostly, I see bad taste.
A last point about this: a lot of people in the community want to weigh in
on logos and graphics and designs, but I don't see them getting involved in
working on the important things that we need like a FAQ, tutorials, and
up-to-date on-line documentation. I cannot escape the conclusion that our
priorities as a community are simply wrong-headed. We just don't have the
resources to even be talking about a lot of this stuff.
I submit that we need to get the basic content straightened out before we
worry about the eye candy.
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